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XP-100 aquisition for project....maybe ?

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January 07, 2017, 02:16 PM
Johnnie
XP-100 aquisition for project....maybe ?
Ok Gents,

Since it's 25 below zero here this morning, yep that's -25, seems like a good day bond with the PC.

First post here, been lurking/reading for a while, enjoying every minute of it. Not new to XP's, have a handful in various calibers. Also, some pretty cool (IMHO) Contender set up's, in mostly obsolete cartridges.

Have the urge lately to build a couple XP's to specific ends. Picked up one, and have been watching for an XP beater, to use for the second project, which brings us to the point.

While stalking a gun show in early December, spied what a first looked like a 700 Rem barreled action, with a fairly short barrel, that's when the forward trigger caught my attention. Flipped it over and sure enough, XP-100, nice shape, price oh so attractive....but it was HUGE ! Big, long barrel, ported, and a caliber still not quite believable - - .358 Norma Mag.

As is turned out, the seller had rifle of interest too, so a deal was struck for the pair, and I paid for what I thought was a rifle, and a barreled XP-100 action. At the last second, he says: "Wait, I've got a junky stock under the table that goes with the XP", and he hands over what seems to be a very good stock, with a junky black paint job.

Later, the XP was assembled, and it became "The Beast", and what a beast it is. Why the seller did not have it in the stock (which is bedded quite nicely), is beyond reason, would think he could have gotten twice the money had it been all together as a complete pistol.

A bolt stop alteration was done, and an integral muzzle break, the work is well executed.









Am hoping to learn a few things from this story;
1) Hoping someone can identify the stock, and it's quality, so I can decide what alterations are feasible. Would like to trim up the grip, which seems huge, but not to the point of weakening the stock.
2) Who may have done the gunsmith work, based on some alterations, such as the bolt stop.
3) Arguments for keeping the .358 NM, instead of cannibalizing the gun for a project, or selling it and finding another "donor".
4) If anybody has an original Dogleg bolt they would part with for the next phase, have always liked the original bolts. Bolt face does not matter, unless too big, as I can do the alteration, and change the extractor to a Sako or AR style.

Am happy for all input, you guys have some serious XP's, and would love to hear your thoughts.

Johnnie


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January 07, 2017, 02:19 PM
Johnnie
A few more photos of the stock








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January 07, 2017, 02:34 PM
rickiesrevenge
Interesting find. Never seen a bolt stop like that before. I'm betting that you'll probably want more brake than those holes on top. While I don't have an xp in 358 Norma I do have one in 35WSM and it recoils a bit.

Aaron
January 07, 2017, 02:47 PM
mark hampton
Johnnie, Nice find. I'm not certain on the stock but will take a wild stab -- Lee Six or Brown Precision - only a guess. Good luck on your XP journey.
January 07, 2017, 02:59 PM
Nitemann
I'm with Mark, I think it's a Lee Six that has had some alterations to the grip. They are good stocks. I actually like the bolt release, simple. You didn't mention the barrel length but if its long enough and the 358NM doesn't work out you could always have it cut back and rechambered to some other 35 cal or a complete rebarrel to something you want. Welcome to SP by the way.

Rick
January 07, 2017, 03:13 PM
Iowa Fox
Nice find Johnnie. There are still good bargains to be had out there. If you are looking you will never find them, make a promise to your wife you are done buying and they fly out of the woodwork at you. I'm no expert but the stock looks Lee Six if I was guessing.
January 07, 2017, 04:04 PM
Grendel99
That's a sweet find. Personally I'd think I would keep it mostly as is. Have you shot it yet? The 358 Norma seems pretty cool but would be a handful. Maybe a better brake? Perhaps have the integral brake part of the barrel cut off and have a good brake threaded on if there is enough barrel length? Though with that caliber it seems like you would want to have as much barrel length as possible. It would be a wicked hog and elk pistol!
January 07, 2017, 04:14 PM
Johnnie
quote:
Originally posted by rickiesrevenge:
Interesting find. Never seen a bolt stop like that before. I'm betting that you'll probably want more brake than those holes on top. While I don't have an xp in 358 Norma I do have one in 35WSM and it recoils a bit.

Aaron


Aaron,

That's actually just one of two rows, sort of at "Ten & Two", like hands on a steering wheel.

Johnnie.


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January 07, 2017, 04:21 PM
Johnnie
Guys,

Barrel is just shy of 16 1/4" to the bolt face, 1.000" at the muzzle, and 1.240" where it meets the receiver.

Have not shot this yet, been to cheap to invest in a box of shells, am hoping one of my shooting buddies will have a couple rounds lying around for a test.


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January 07, 2017, 05:45 PM
rickiesrevenge
Ain't many guys who would have that ammo!

Aaron
January 07, 2017, 06:02 PM
Dekker
Congrats on your XP find and welcome to SP. Also somebody here on the forum had a couple of dogleg bolt handles for sale just the other day. No need to swap entire bolt when you can swap the bolt handle.
January 07, 2017, 07:13 PM
Ernie
What a thumper!
Cool bolt release. Never saw one like that before.


Ernie (xphunter) "The Un-Tactical"
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January 07, 2017, 09:07 PM
big10
Beast indeed. That will be a handful. Nice find!


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January 07, 2017, 10:07 PM
444Thumper
If you could come up with a set of dies for a reasonable price, it looks like you could make brass cheaply and easily. That way you could control the power level, especially to see how effective the existing brake is. Then you wouldn't have to contend with full power loads right out of the box. Slap_Forehead Here is some info on case forming.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/...358_NORMA_BRASS_FROM

Good luck with your new toy.

John
January 07, 2017, 10:19 PM
Ernie
Get a Holland Radial Baffle brake


Ernie (xphunter) "The Un-Tactical"
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January 08, 2017, 01:18 AM
Leupold Man
I'm with Ernie get a Holland Brake and you will be golden! Nice find!!!! Welcome to SP!!!!!!


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January 09, 2017, 09:22 AM
TXBRASS
Nice find and welcome to SP!
A unique SP for sure....would love to see video of recoil with it being **** as-is.


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January 09, 2017, 11:41 AM
Shaggy357
Trailboss and the RCBS 35 Rem cast bullet should be just the ticket for a hog hammer. I can almost smell the powder burning.....


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January 09, 2017, 07:08 PM
Johnnie
quote:
Originally posted by Ernie:
What a thumper!
Cool bolt release. Never saw one like that before.


Am guessing a Thumper indeed, guess I'll have to dig up some rounds and pull the trigger.

That bolt release is very well thought out, and executed, will definitely replicate it on another XP.

Collectively, you guys are de-railing the concept that the "Beast" was getting tore down, then built into a 270WSM or similar, for a little Deer, Pronghorn, and Hog/Javelina shooting.


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January 09, 2017, 07:19 PM
Ernie
quote:
Originally posted by Johnnie:
quote:
Originally posted by Ernie:
What a thumper!
Cool bolt release. Never saw one like that before.


Am guessing a Thumper indeed, guess I'll have to dig up some rounds and pull the trigger.

That bolt release is very well thought out, and executed, will definitely replicate it on another XP.

Collectively, you guys are de-railing the concept that the "Beast" was getting tore down, then built into a 270WSM or similar, for a little Deer, Pronghorn, and Hog/Javelina shooting.


I just assumed you WANTED that cartridge real bad.
Myself, I would easily choose a number of cartridges over that for the critters you mention devil paperbag bolt


Ernie (xphunter) "The Un-Tactical"
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January 09, 2017, 07:31 PM
rickiesrevenge
Nope. You should keep it as a 358 Norma! I love 35's though so......... I would put a different brake on it though. I've shot grouse to moose with my 35's.


Aaron
January 09, 2017, 07:32 PM
rickiesrevenge
IF you had to you could have the lug pinned and have a switch barrel for a WSM. That would be acceptable too.

Aaron
January 09, 2017, 10:48 PM
Johnnie
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I just assumed you WANTED that cartridge real bad.
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NOPE, just a cheap XP to chop up......... ax2grind

But am enjoying the arguments for maintaining the gun "as is", it demonstrates the depth of the demented minds lingering here......my kind of place. Big Grin


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January 15, 2017, 05:28 PM
rickiesrevenge
Well, what did you decide? Big Grin

Aaron
January 23, 2017, 08:54 PM
TXBRASS
quote:
Originally posted by rickiesrevenge:
Well, what did you decide? Big Grin

Aaron


I wanna know too!


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January 28, 2017, 06:39 PM
Johnnie
Hate to admit it, but you guys have got me talking to myself, have not decided at this point. Also, it was 36 below when I headed to work yesterday, and about the same this morning, so NO big desire to sit out at the range shooting.

Seriously, will police up some rounds and at least test the darn thing, then make an educated decision. If it turns out to be really cool, but not to taste, will take it to the Denver collectors show in May and put it on the table. There are two other XP's here that can be cannibalized for projects, a .221 Fireball, and a 7mm BR.

Whatever happens, will be duplicating that bolt stop, simple, very functional, and easy to do.

Johnnie.


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March 05, 2017, 08:53 AM
justgettinold
A .358 and a centergrip.............Son, I hope you have wrists like young trees cause if you don't....well.....DON'T. ohboy


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March 05, 2017, 09:02 AM
Ernie
With a good brake, it is not a problem
I shoot 180's at 2930 fps out of my 7 Dakota (lighter weight center-grip for elk hunting) and it is not an issue.
I actually use a fairly light hold and I am also using a 6.5-20 Leupold Mark 4.


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March 05, 2017, 01:43 PM
rickiesrevenge
I shoot a 35WSM in a centergrip. 225 accubonds at 2700fps.

Aaron
June 30, 2017, 01:48 PM
ragsflh
will be a handfull
June 30, 2017, 05:43 PM
Iowa Fox
Does anyone here know where that bolt stop came from or is it a one of by a creative owner?
June 30, 2017, 08:27 PM
BLASERMAN
Like it keep it 358 Norma
Yep Holland brake
Man what a thumper