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Surgeon .223 Wylde

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October 21, 2016, 03:31 AM
me?
Surgeon .223 Wylde
Hi SPF,
I've been lurking in the shadows for a while, asking questions and gathering information. I've never really contributed anything, well finally I've got something. This is my .223 Wylde.
Surgeon 591R action
Bartlein 16.1" 1-7.7 twist barrel, threaded for muzzle brake, don't need it.
McRees Precision chassis, Hunter
AICS plastic 10 round 223 magazine
Atlas bipod
Jewell trigger, set at 1.5 lbs
Nightforce one piece scope rings
Nightforce NSX F1 3x15x50

I'm shooting the 80gr Amax at 2650 fps with CFE223, Lapua brass, and Remington 6 1/2 primers, at a COAL of 2.455".
1/2" to 3/4" 5 shot groups at 100 yards are the best I can do for now, I just started pistol shooting so I suck. Plus I just started reloading, suck at that too. But I've been having a blast hitting steel out to 600 yards, past that the wind starts making things more difficult for me. Thanks for all the help and info.








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October 21, 2016, 06:50 AM
bowstryder
Very nice! What is the total weight of that jewel? Looking at your target says otherwise about your "I suck" comment.
Took me forever to put a half decent group together and keep them there. But these things are like a drug!
October 21, 2016, 06:50 AM
Da-Law-Dawg
thumbup
October 21, 2016, 07:04 AM
Buckeye509
Very nice setup. Your doing alright thumbup.
October 21, 2016, 08:33 AM
40xmike
Great looking rig thumbup
You suck at shooting it???? Hardly laugh
The only suggestion I would make is to change primers. The 6-1/2's have a really thin cup, and won't take very much pressure.

Thanks for sharing!

-Mike
October 21, 2016, 09:02 AM
Smokin7mm
I agree. Nothing wrong with those groups. Also, most groups are measured center to center so if your .545" outside measurement is the 5 shot group then your group is .321". Excellent shooting by any standard. Try the Remington 7 1/2BR primer. Shooting the wind is always difficult especially when it is constantly changing.
By the way, nice looking rig.

Bret


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October 21, 2016, 10:10 AM
BruceP
Nice look SP and good looking groups.

Bruce
October 21, 2016, 10:29 AM
Ernie
quote:
Originally posted by Smokin7mm:
I agree. Nothing wrong with those groups. Also, most groups are measured center to center so if your .545" outside measurement is the 5 shot group then your group is .321". Excellent shooting by any standard. Try the Remington 7 1/2BR primer. Shooting the wind is always difficult especially when it is constantly changing.
By the way, nice looking rig.

THIS!^^^^^^


Ernie (xphunter) "The Un-Tactical"
WY-SHOT 2022 June 20-22
October 21, 2016, 10:32 AM
Ernie
.3 group for 5 shots off of a bi-pod should bring happiness to you any day you can do it.
Quality build.
Who built it?
No doubt, beyond 600, it will get frisky with switchy winds, but that just helps you become an overall better distance shooter.


Ernie (xphunter) "The Un-Tactical"
WY-SHOT 2022 June 20-22
October 21, 2016, 11:51 AM
me?
quote:
Originally posted by bowstryder:
Very nice! What is the total weight of that jewel? Looking at your target says otherwise about your "I suck" comment.


Total weight for the Jewell is 1.5 lbs. That was my best group ever, alot of them looked like a shotgun patern.
Thanks for the kind words.
October 21, 2016, 12:21 PM
me?
quote:
Originally posted by Smokin7mm:
I agree. Nothing wrong with those groups. Also, most groups are measured center to center so if your .545" outside measurement is the 5 shot group then your group is .321". Excellent shooting by any standard. Try the Remington 7 1/2BR primer.

Bret



So, after I measure my group I get to subtract .224"?

With,"soft primers" am I giving up accuracy, the ability to push for more velocity, or is it safer to be using a harder primer? I have not popped any primers with this load, it's Hodgdon's max load for CFE223 published on their website. I had a friend look at my fired cases for over pressure signs, he said,"good to go".
Thanks
October 21, 2016, 12:27 PM
me?
quote:
Originally posted by Ernie:
.3 group for 5 shots off of a bi-pod should bring happiness to you any day you can do it.
Quality build.
Who built it?


GA Precision put together the barreled action. I bolted the rest on.
Thanks
October 21, 2016, 01:09 PM
junebug
Not computer savvy so how do you get the pictures to open?
October 21, 2016, 01:13 PM
40xmike
quote:
Originally posted by me?:

With,"soft primers" am I giving up accuracy, the ability to push for more velocity, or is it safer to be using a harder primer? I have not popped any primers with this load, it's Hodgdon's max load for CFE223 published on their website. I had a friend look at my fired cases for over pressure signs, he said,"good to go".
Thanks


You might get better and more consistent accuracy with a hotter primer than the 6-1/2. And you would be able to push your load harder if desired without having primer piercing issues. The 6-1/2 was designed for lower pressure cartridges like the .22 Hornet ect....

Keep up the great shooting thumbup

-Mike
October 21, 2016, 02:03 PM
Ernie
quote:
Originally posted by me?:
quote:
Originally posted by Ernie:
.3 group for 5 shots off of a bi-pod should bring happiness to you any day you can do it.
Quality build.
Who built it?


GA Precision put together the barreled action. I bolted the rest on.
Thanks


Excellent


Ernie (xphunter) "The Un-Tactical"
WY-SHOT 2022 June 20-22
October 21, 2016, 05:57 PM
rickiesrevenge
quote:
Originally posted by me?:

So, after I measure my group I get to subtract .224"?




Most people would do it that way. You're not getting the actual group size by doing it like that. The reason is that unless your shooting watcutter type bullets the bullet won't make a full diameter hole. To do it and get the most accurate measurement you can measure a single hole and subtract that diameter from the outside to outside measurement. You can also download software called ontarget which will calculate your group sizes.


Great shooting by the way. I'd also recommend trying another primer. I've shot a lot of 6.5's and they should be used in lower pressure cartridges like Mike mentioned.

Aaron
October 21, 2016, 08:34 PM
Leupold Man
Great looking build congrats!!!!! Any way you look at it that's a shooter!!!!!


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October 21, 2016, 11:02 PM
nmhunter
thumbup
October 22, 2016, 06:33 AM
me?
quote:
Originally posted by rickiesrevenge:
quote:
Originally posted by me?:

So, after I measure my group I get to subtract .224"?




Most people would do it that way. You're not getting the actual group size by doing it like that. The reason is that unless your shooting watcutter type bullets the bullet won't make a full diameter hole. To do it and get the most accurate measurement you can measure a single hole and subtract that diameter from the outside to outside measurement. You can also download software called ontarget which will calculate your group sizes.


Great shooting by the way. I'd also recommend trying another primer. I've shot a lot of 6.5's and they should be used in lower pressure cartridges like Mike mentioned.

Aaron


Thanks for the great explanation on how to measure groups! I'll try the 7 1/2 primers, maybe I can push the 80s a little faster.
October 22, 2016, 12:09 PM
Ernie
I would look for you most consistent accuracy.
If your best load was a light load and you were competing....
If it were a comp gun, then I may have two loads:
One which is at the top of the pressure, but in switchy or heavy winds will still drift less (or have better accuracy since it does better in the wind) than the light load which was for competing in ideal or close to ideal conditions


Ernie (xphunter) "The Un-Tactical"
WY-SHOT 2022 June 20-22
October 23, 2016, 06:40 AM
me?
quote:
Originally posted by Ernie:
I would look for you most consistent accuracy.
If your best load was a light load and you were competing....
If it were a comp gun, then I may have two loads:
One which is at the top of the pressure, but in switchy or heavy winds will still drift less (or have better accuracy since it does better in the wind) than the light load which was for competing in ideal or close to ideal conditions


I don't compete, but I understand the value of consistency. Consistency is probably the most important component of shooting well. Being able to eliminate as many variables as possible so that after the trigger is pulled I know that it was my lack of skill that put the bullet where it went and not my scope, pistol, or ammo.

Anyway, my plan for this gun is mostly to bang steel up to 800 yards, and maybe take out some deer and pigs under 200 yards. Has anyone killed anything with the 80gr Amax? How did it go?

Thanks

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October 23, 2016, 08:24 AM
Ernie
You don't have to be a competitor to be a good shooter or have the understanding of what it takes.
This may be your first rodeo with a SP, but it is surely not with custom guns or your understanding of what it takes to make one shoot.
Either that or you have a had a good mentor and you paid attention.
Looking forward to your getting your 223 legs stretched in the future.
I haven't used any 22 cal A-Max's for hunting myself. I have used them in 6mm, 6.5, 7mm, and 30 cal though.
Looking at impact velocities with your 80 grain A-Max, you should have plenty of impact velocity at the distances you are considering for hunting.


Ernie (xphunter) "The Un-Tactical"
WY-SHOT 2022 June 20-22